[ihc] Re: (IHC)Gone Postal

[JefGruwell@xxxxxxx]

In a message dated 7/4/2004 10:28:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
pshubin@domain.elided writes:
I heard that the CJ springs tended to sag over time under the weight of the
Scout 800.  I started looking into them anyway.  What hangers need to be
moved to work with the CJ7 Springs?
I used some military wrap CJ5 Springs on an 800B with 392. Those springs 
didn't like all the sprung weight. I sold that Scout after using those springs for 
over two years, with no sag. The CJ5 Springs are a direct bolt in for Scout 
80/800. 

On my RHD Scout, I'm using some old RANCHO springs my Father bought well over 
20 years ago. These were made specifally for Scout 80/800, have nine leafs in 
the front, and they are fairly stiff. If your into articulation, these aren't 
the answer.

I like aftermarket CJ7 Springs when retrofitting Scout II axles spring under 
on Scout 80/800. The front CJ7 Springs are 2" wide, like the Scout II springs. 
This works out well as the pumkin is cast to accept 2" wide spring for perch. 
Also, the demensions of length and axle orientation are VERY close to Scout 
80/800. I couldn't find any difference with a tape measure using several 
different vehicals for reference.

BTW, I'm going to do this mod on RHD. I have Prolift CJ7 Springs, and Forged 
"Slick Rock" Shackle Hangers. I'll make the spring mount myself outta square 
stock tubing.

I should also mention that when going to spring under "non modified Scout II 
44s" on 80/800, you will find the Frame spring mounts will need to be moved in 
on the front, and out in the rear. Relocating the front frame spring mounts 
is easy, but the back will require a little more engineering. It maybe easier 
the move the pearches on the rear axle inboard. I'm not sure about exactly what 
I'm gonna do on mine yet, but I do have several ideas. 


I compared my Scout II to the "new" 800 and I run out of frame in the rear
before I can do what I want with Scout II springs.  I also have heard of a
kit to allow the use of Scout II springs under an 800 and wonder how it
works.  I'm also pretty sure I'll want to move the spring hangers on the
front in to match up with the hangers on the axle rather than modify the
perches on the axle to give a little more room for tire/spring clearance
when turning.
Moving the springs in, tire may still hit frame. The Scout II axels are wider 
than 80/800 axles, so thats a little better for clearance. 


I don't know what drive train I'll put in yet but I do know it will involve
a manual transmission and a V8.  I do a lot of freeway driving so an over
drive would be nice but I'll see what I can find that will all work together
for a reasonable price.  
For V8, get ready for a lot of fabbing. The more reasonable price MAYbe just 
buying an 800 with V8 or I-6. A lot of Scout 800s that came with I-6 also have 
motormounts for SV.

Jeff Gruwell


-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:14:04 EDT
From: JefGruwell@domain.elided
Subject: [ihc] (IHC)Gone Postal

On the Scout II Leafs Springs, you will find that they are to long for
80/800 
chassis. You can make them work if you must, but not without extending
frame. 
Aftermarket H.D. Jeep CJ 7 Springs will fit Perfect and work fantastic, but 
you will need to revise mounts on the frame. These will work great with
spring 
under Scout II Dana 44 to 800 Conversion. Aftermarket Forged bolt on Shackle

Hangers for CJ7 maybe worth a look as well. IIRC made by Slick Rock.

BTW, I'm a BIG fan of the IHC 196. I've suprised many Scout II and V8 800 
people with a IHC 152 in 800s off road. On the freeway, the 152 four bangers
do 
kinda suck, but I'm sticking with 196 for my RHD Scout. 196s push better at 
lower revs. I'm considering a .82 % Overdrive 5 Speed Conversion, but I need
more 
reaserch on that. .82% Overdrive will compliment 4.88:1 real nice....

If your planning on repowering with non IHC, I recommend stroked out MOPAR 
360 with Ramcharger 727. Be ready to do lotsa basic fab work.

On the Radiator, I like BeCool with twin electric fans. Thats what I'm 
running in my Muscle Car, and it will not overheat.

BTW, I have RHD Scout, and I dig being on the Right Side.

OK, I'm going back to work on Scout.

Jeff Gruwell