Re: [ihc] Carb help needed

["Dennis Bernth" <scoutdude@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dave-
Jeeps also came with the one barrel manifold. A friend of mine did the Weber
conversion on his 232 I-6 in a Scout 800A and loves it- stock one barrel
manifold. His engine is somewhat 'tired', but he can let it sit a month and
it fires up like it had shut down five minutes ago. Fuel mileage increase is
nice too, according to him. What you're looking at with the Weber is a far
cry from the Mopar EFI- the Weber setup is around $400 IIRC, as I said, not
much more than a new stock carburetor. Several guys on Binder Bulletin have
gone Weber on their 196 and even 152 four cylinders, and all rave over the
improvements. I realize you aren't looking for more performance, but better
fuel mileage would be a plus in your line of work, and having the choke work
right (the Weber has an electric choke AFAIK, and it works great) also will
greatly lengthen the life of your engine. Unburned, raw gas will 'wash' the
cylinder walls, causing undue wear, and when it dilutes the oil it causes
the same problems with bearings. Especially in your line of work, a good
carb is a MUST- you probably don't have long stretches of highway driving to
'blow it out' , and prolonged slow speeds and idling are considered 'severe
service' by most manufacturers. I know the $$ hurt, but this is one mod that
I think would pay off for you in the shorter run than five years.
Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bongo" <dbongo@domain.elided>
To: "Dennis Bernth" <scoutdude@domain.elided>
Cc: <ihc@domain.elided>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ihc] Carb help needed


> Dennis-
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I've considered upgrading the carb, but I'm stuck
> with the 1 bbl intake manifold.  Or, I guess I should say, my
> understanding is that I'm stuck with a 1bbl intake manifold.  Jeeps,
> AFAIK, have 2bbl intake manifolds stock, so I'd not only need the
> manifold adapter, but I'd need the whole darn manifold too.
>
> There's also the issue of cost.  Fixing the choke is my current
> preferred option because it's the cheapest.  For my to drop a
> significant amount of extra cash into the fuel system, I'd have to see
> some real benefits.  Under a "best case" scenario, a $2000 investment in
> Mopar SEFI and good exhaust headers would probably have taken me at
> least 5 YEARS to make my money back.  Worst case, over 10 years.  Is it
> worth it?  I deemed not.
>
> My biggest concern is reliability.  And, from what I've been made to
> understand, it don't get much more reliable than that stock carb.  Of
> course, I could be misinformed or minunderstanding what I was told.  I
> want the truck to turn On when I turn the key, and turn off when I I
> turn the key back.  The first part is working pretty good....if the
> engine is warm.  The second part?  Well, my customers on the route have
> passed several remarks to me about my engine when the truck just kind of
> keeps on running and I'm halfway up the driveway...
>
> Dave
>
>
> > Dennis Bernth wrote:
> >
> > Dave-
> > I realize you've sunk some money in your truck, but I think if I had
> > the setup you have I'd ditch the stock carb altogether and go with a
> > Weber. It's a pretty common upgrade for the Jeep guys on the inline
> > sixes, and everybody that I've talked/corresponded with that did it
> > was extremely pleased with the increase in gas mileage and
> > driveability they got with the Weber. It is pricier than a rebuilt
> > stock carb, but is so much better that it seems to be almost a
> > no-brainer to go that route. There is an outfit that makes complete
> > kits to fit the Jeeps, including manifold adaptor, carb and air
> > cleaner. I'm sure there will be some 'housekeeping' issues to deal
> > with (auto trans kickdown linkage comes to mind as one), but any
> > competent mechanic with a well equipped shop can deal with that kind
> > of thing easily. You may want to check the Jeep boards for more info,
> > or maybe Colin Rush will speak up. He has a foot in the AMC world, and
> > probably has some good info on the Weber conversion.
> > Dennis
> > <SNIP>
> > >My question for you guys is on what to do from >here.  He tried
> > installing a manual choke, but couldn't get it to >go.  I know from
> > >reading the Scout service manual that there is an >electric choke
> > that
> > >was used on that carb with the 196.  (I've got a >258)  What can I do
> > to
> > >get a part number on the electric choke, and >would it work in my
> > >application?  What are my other options?
> >
> > >Thanks,
> >
> > >Dave