That shuld be grip length is what ever it was, and the "over all length" was 3 1/2" Dan Nees cookiedan@domain.elided The "Good" 1979 Scout II 345/auto The "Bad" 1971 Scout II 304/T-18 And the "Ugly" 1979 Scout II 345/auto http://members.tripod.com/~IHCaholic/scoutindex.html