RE: ihc-digest V5 #64

["Shubin, Pete" <PShubin@domain.elided>]

The AMC V8 swap for a 258 has been extensively discussed on the digest.
No one 
on the digest has gotten around to doing it yet.  I have 
attached a post from a while back that outlined what I knew then.  
I have learned more and clarification follows that cut and 
paste post.
Tom:
Since every time I contemplate this out loud someone asks about it, I
respond to the digest. Here is what I have learned.  I have not proven
any of it but it seems to be the consensus of many people.

The details on swapping AMC V-8s for a 258 are:
*	The bellhousing bolt patterns are the same.
*	The motor mounts do not need to be modified.
*	The flywheels are different for a 258 than for the V-8s and also
between the different V-8s (304, 360, 401, and others).
*	A V-8 from an automatic will not work with a manual trans. ( I
have not chased this down yet but it supposedly has to do with the
crankshaft.)

I have learned enough that I feel the next step for me is to find a
reasonably priced 360 that was originally mated to a manual trans, pull
the T-18 from my Scout and see if it bolts up.  All I have to do is find
the 360.  This highly technical method of engineering an engine swap is
the perfect solution to all my questions.  My garage is the perfect
place to make it happen.

The only response I had in my quest for a 360 was one up by the Canadian
border. A long way from Orange County.  I checked local shops and they
wanted $600 for one needing a rebuild.  I'll buy the adapter plates and
go Chevy before I pay that for a 360.

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From: 	Tom and Amanda Lang[SMTP:rustnrot@domain.elided]
Sent: 	Sunday, August 31, 1997 6:35 AM
To: 	Shubin, Pete
Subject: 	AMC 360 swap

I have a '72 RHD/2wd/258/727/d44/3.73 and have thought about a v-8.  To
go
I-H I need to remove the 258 mounts and weld in the I-H v-8 mounts.
But,
lore has it if I go to a AMC 360, like you're contemplating, the frame
mounts are the same?  Is this true?  One thing is for sure, the bolt
patterns, and hence tranny fit-up will be the same for the 258 and 360,
correct??  Lotsa Luck ;)

  ^^^^^^
(C o()o ?)
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'To look into the eyes of an orangutan is to look into the soul of
humankind,' Dr Biruté Galdikas.

O.K. Here is what I've learned since then:
*One of the motor mounts does need to be replaced or modified.  
One does not.
*An AMC V8 form an automatic will work for a manual trans.  Just 
make sure the crank is drilled for a pilot shaft.

I currently have a few people I know looking for a 360 or 401 for 
my '72.  I plan to join the search as soon as I have time.  I'll do 
the swap myself including any welding but don't count on me getting 
to it anytime soon.  It will probably happen in the summer.  Spencer 
Lewis (sorry for mentioning you so much Spencer) already has his 
360 but you need to ask him about his schedule for the swap.

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	Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:51:22 -0800
	From: "Timothy J Hirsch" <praiseprinting@domain.elided>
	Subject: AMC Swap

	Does anyone have any info on what it would take to swap in an
AMC 304,
	360 or 401 for a 258 in a 73 Scout? I understand that the V8s
bolt right
	up to the current bellhousing. However, I've heard that motor
mounts are
	a problem? Any solutions?

	Thanks for the help,
	Tim Hirsch
	Portland, OR